My "favorite" part was when he read from the (now deleted) Oceangate blog post that effectively said "we don't bother with the mechanical certification process, since very few of the failures that occur in the world are due to mechanical faults".
Really? Could that be because the mechanical certification process actually works?
I feel the need to step in here. Certification != regulation. Regulation means there is a body that can enforce the requirements with monetary or other damaging repercussions. What Oceangate faced were certifications and their decision to side-step them were met with no repercussions except their reputation with those who wouldn't ever want to step inside their sub anyways.
Point is - regulations would have prevented this, but there are none.
I get you’re point, absolutely. I didn’t mean to conflate them as the same thing.
However, at least what I thought - regulations would require certification before use (ie aeroplanes are regulated, and require certification)
In Oceangates specific case, they sidestepped regulations requiring certification by diving only in international waters? Their boat which took the sub out there would have been certified because of regulations?
You're both right, but I'm pretty sure that you're having two separate but related discussions.
Certification by itself does absolutely nothing. It's a piece of paper.
However, it's a piece of paper that you can not get unless you've done a bunch of other stuff.
Regulations would have prevented this, because they would have required the certifications, which would have required the other stuff.
In this case, they didn't do the other stuff.
They didn't test the hull to see if it could take the pressure.
They explicitly decided not to bother testing the hull to see if it could actually take the pressure.
They certainly didn't do any fatigue testing to see how repeated pressure cycles impacted the material. The material that is extremely complex, and which nobody has done this with.
Because they didn't do that testing, they had no way to reliably know if other steps were required, like only using it X number of times, or establishing processes to do specific inspections to look for whatever kinds of damage might happen as a result of repeated stress.
So yes, if they had actually followed the process, this wouldn't have happened. They explicitly arranged to use the vessel in locations where they could not be held to the process.
But they didn't want to follow the process. Which means more than 'they didn't do the certification', it means that they also didn't do many of the other things that would have been required to get that certification.
And the lack of regulation meant that nobody could shut them down for those decisions.
Also? Just a side note, it’s very likely that people who were willing to cut corners around safety certifications… also probably didn’t have a proper maintenance schedule going on it.
Yeah well put. It should be said that regulations OFTEN cite certifications from non-regulatory bodies. Regulators are often legislators and executors, not scientists that understand the rationales behind good practice. Certification bodies (like UL, as one example, or SAE for automotive) have the scientists to do the requirements.
Basically what we already know. Reddit is restoring comments that have been deleted by users possibly in violation of data privacy laws.
Louis goes a little farther by sharing the story of one particular user who tried multiple ways to delete their content including manually deleting every single comment one by one. Then to answer Reddit's response that user data is "anonomized" by disassociating it with the user account when the user deletes their account, the user points out that at least one of their posts has their full name in it, and by restoring that post against the user's wishes, they've violated California's data privacy laws.
He then goes into his typical cynical rant which I personally find entertaining but I know he rubs a lot of people the wrong way.
I said "basically my native language" because I consider Swiss German and High German to be different languages. But for all intents and purposes except that technicality I'm a native speaker of German.
I think for written words in a professional context it’s very similar. but yeah swiss or high German that’s just one of those totally not made up words that exists to troll German speakers. 🤣
As someone with both a college level understanding of German and an understanding of law, it's basically a law creating a special type of lawsuit similar but different from a US class action, that Germany passed into law after the 2015 Volkswagen scandal. It tries to incentivize businesses protecting consumers through actual safeguards by punishing companies when they lack them, rather than a class action that arguably has the effect of pressuring companies to be even more misleading or confusing to deliberately avoid liability. How it does this? Probably gonna have to tap in a legal scholar for that one.
I think the only solution currently is to use something like Redact to mass edit your posts and comments to remove the data that you have input into the site. Reddit lives or dies on the information that users post/comment on it.
I personally believe that reddit is the type of company to save the orginal post and revert it just out of spite
They have been reverting them. I've been observing it in action my my Reddit account as I delete things. Even old posts that I recall deleting years ago (like random things on r/Hearthstone after I stopped playing Blizzard games) have been making a return over the past month. I've been going in and doing batches of edits to my post history every few days, and editing it differently. From ten years ago to now, I've had posts re-appearing and the edits getting un-edited.
I've been going in and doing batches of edits to my post history every few days, and editing it differently. From ten years ago to now, I've had posts re-appearing and the edits getting un-edited.
Are you absolutely certain? I just as well might not bother with the mass edit then.
The issue there isn't that Reddit stores the edit history (that would be too much storage space), but that it doesn't apply the edit at all and just pretends to if it you recently edited something else. You need to wait after each edit for your next edit to go through.
Watching the video i see him deleting from 11 months ago to 12 years ago. But don't see the specific 3 year old posts on r/javascript. Which would be consistent with not being able to see them due to the sub being private.
Sign me up for the class action. I was thinking of just spinning up a selenium script because I’ve tried using one of the bots to delete post history before, and it didn’t work, so I was assuming the API was resisting. Disappointing to see that even clicking through everything doesn’t work reliably.
That would be my suggestion as well. There's a chance that all reddit users will be part of the class, but there's also a chance that only users who attempted to delete data or request that data be deleted will be part of the class.
Attempt to edit and/or delete a few of your comments at the very least and prepare for the class action lawsuit. It'll probably take a couple years, but there's no way that some law firm isn't already looking into it and gearing up to start the process. There's a particular law firm that I follow that has gotten some really good settlements from social media companies such as this one against facebook. I would believe that if anyone decides to take on a data privacy issue against a large social media company, it would be them.
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