Distros that don’t respect your privacy are hard to find, so privacy isn’t really a factor here. You’re just going to get everyone’s favourite distro here, regardless of whether it fits your other requirements.
What kind of hardware do you use?
How stable or fresh would you like your distro to be?
What wind of desktop experience do you prefer?
Also note that the apps you use (on your PC or in the browser) usually far outshadow the OS w.r.t. privacy intrusion.
Nice to hear, that privacy is less of a problem with linux!
I'm using a "middle-class gaming tower" I think. (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB VRAM, 16 GB RAM, AMD Ryzen 5 2400G).
Isn't fresher always better?
I already found out, that it's possible to change the desktop environment, which is great I guess. So I think at first, I'd like to maybe stick to the "windows-style".
Due to the nature as a community of tech enthusiasts, normal end-users can easily get software that is a bit too fresh. You probably don’t want to be a beta-tester unless you don’t mind updates frequently breaking your system.
Usually, default settings put you a few levels down from that, depending on which distro you go for. This doesn’t keep you completely save from some developers doing stupid shit (Manjaro), but this shouldn’t be a concern for any distro I’ve seen recommended here.
I have no idea who signs his paychecks, but no, none of the announcement about the RHEL Sources affects Fedora in any way, unless Nobara is pulling sources from RHEL (which it isn't) this doesn't affect it at all. Nobara isn't an official Fedora, or RedHat product or project.
Mint for my desktop, SteamOS on Deck. Both do what I need, and the only issues I've run into since switching have been random things like GOG not having an updated Planescape Torment build that works out of the box. I don't play many online competitive games with like invasive anti-cheat stuff, so I haven't run into a ton of compatibility issues.
I didn’t use this method, I have a persistent Linux install on a USB, but at least it’ll point you in the right direction to figure out what you want to do.
Zorin OS Pro might be a good one here. At least you would have a tested suite.
Create with the same apps the pros use. Zorin OS Pro includes an advanced video editor, Photoshop-compatible image editor, illustration software, audio workstation, animation software, and the same 3D graphics & effects software used by Hollywood studios, just to name a few. With tools this powerful, your imagination is the only limit.
What sort of tools are you going to use? I make ambient synth music and will often record and edit in Audacity. I use all analog hardware though, so it's different if you're using software. Only music focused distro I've ever heard of is the gentoo one, but I know there's gotta be others.
I never heard of gentoo studio. Im looking into it now and it looks like a decent possible alternative.
I want to run a DAW like Reaper, with multiple midi tracks playing through vst instruments. I had no problem doing that on windows 7 with my 4th gen i7 processor and 16GB of RAM, so my 8th gen processor should be able to handle it. But it's a "power saving" processor that actually benchmarks very close to my old 4th gen, so I do want to keep the OS and desktop environment light.
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I see gentoo studio isnt listed on distrowatch, but you can get it theough his site.
I learned about gentoo studio through the gentoo wiki. For music production where I use software I typically boot into my separate windows ssd, just because I've had so many head aches when trying to work with linux software and hardware that isn't fully supported. I'd love to do everything in linux, but some daws just don't work. Especially when I've got so much stuff set up already in mpc or guitar rig.
Easiest solution for windows with one pc, in my opinion, is get an external ssd and do windowstousb. I use that, and it works like it's native. Set me back about 100$ for a 1tb ssd. I've played games on it, made music, and other things. Works really well, so I'd suggest that before making a whole separate pc for windows alone.
Linux is a general-purpose OS, and that is generally a bad choice for safety-critical real-time applications. And it is not something that Linux can just be adapted for – the biggest problems are: the kernel is big and the code is complex. Anything added do Linux to 'solve that' would just make it even bigger and even more complex. And removing stuff for kernel would just make it worse general-purpose OS.
The solution for proprietary RTOSes used there would be to create a new, open-source one. This should be doable as those are small and simple by definition (to some extent – only as simple as they can be for given task). I guess this will happen one day, though it is harder for it to happen naturally, as that is not something hobbyists would do for their own needs in their own time and that is usually what starts an open source projects.
On the other hand – Linux can co-exist and I am sure it does co-exist with those specialized RTOSes. I would assume that even on a Boeing airplane there are many Linux instances running… or even Windows ones.
A FreeRTOS derivative has gone through the effort of getting certified for safety critical applications, but that derivative is sadly proprietary. Even if FreeRTOS itself can't meet that bar, though, the work wouldn't have to start from scratch.
Agreed. It's not really a knock against Linux that it's not fit for this very niche purpose. Specialized OSes have their place. An avionics OS isn't exactly competing with Linux for market share.
Wouldn't it be possible to make a Linux kernel for real time applications? That would obviously be very stripped down, but you're not going to run Crysis on your avionics computer anyway.
The problem with modern distributions is that nobody ever has to deal with their own kernel anymore and nobody learns how to trim one down and build it.
I've gotten used to adding extra drives in fstab, myself. I do wish adding permanent secondary drives was a more straightforward process though. I understand the Windows approach of making them instantly accessible has security implications, but I feel like that's something distros could implement as an optional setting.
I think little things like this hinder Linux adoption among end users. The purists may cry foul at this idea, but I think there should be more and better GUIs for system management tasks, so users don't have to use the terminal or muck around editing text files as much.
EDIT: Apparently gnome-disk-utility might be a solution if you're looking for something more straightforward than manually editing fstab. I don't know whether it can do permanent mounts or not though.
EDIT2: Turns out gnome-disk-utility can create fstab entries, but it can't remove them if you've used it to delete a partition.
Can gnome-disk-utility set up permanent mounts? I've used it for other things before, but I've never used it to permanently mount a drive. If so, I wish I knew about that sooner.
Yes, if you check the “mount at system startup” checkbox, it’ll update fstab for you. My only problem was when deleting partitions on gnome-disk-utility, it doesn’t automatically delete the fstab entries it previously created. You’ll need to manually clean it up yourself. This might cause mount problem if you delete and recreate the partition with the same mount settings because there are now two fstab entry, where the first entry references partition that no longer exist.
Remember that when a disk is mentioned in fstab, if the disk is not present at boot time then your machine will return an error. If you replace/swap your steam disks remember to comment this line in /etc/fstab until you have finished your maintenance.
edit: Now steam is giving a disk write error. Permissions?
When I was setting the drives up I set them with the command line "sudo chmod ugo+wx "/where/the/drive/ismounted"".
Was this not correct? Steam itself can write files as it's already setup the folder heirarchy, but when it attempts to download any game it throws a disk write error. When I check the permissions of the folders it working in it looks like the screenshot in this post.
so /target belongs to you and you can do anything you want in it. Who knows, maybe steam checks that only you has the privilege to read/write in it? (to protect your credit card information, registration keys, licenses... or whatever of value that could be in these folders? That would be a possibility that you have to take into consideration when money is involved. Anyway this is a safe and clean procedure to operate with mount points.
In the future your process steam will be run as yourself, writing and reading as if it was yourself, in a folder where he has all the rights to do so. Since he can only write files and folders as yourself there should be no problem anymore. So you will be fine.
The better solution on that second command (chmod) would be
chmod -R u+rwX /target
-R : recursive, affects all files and subdirectiories
u: current user (who just took ownership of everything with the previous command)
+rwX: add read access, write access for all files and directories. Adds execute (list/traverse) access for directories only
That covers existing files/directories and anything new.
Of course, if the permissions are all screwed up now, one might have to run these with sudo!
More generally, the permissions on all new files/dirs are controlled by the umask command:
You can use mount -fav to let it verify the fstab automatically. If it goes through without errors, you can do mount -a to apply the fstab without rebooting.
it will become a condition for booting your machine.
Personally, this is what I want to avoid (particularly for slower drives, though I leave the HDD unmounted most of the time) because booting isn't as fast as it should be already (mobo firmware), and I did see some info about passwordless mounting but it doesn't seem to make post-boot startup commands work properly.
Though luckily nothing much actually needs this, if I forgot to mount the SSD and open Steam I just close it and do that (in the past sometimes I've had to re-start Steam twice for it to take effect).
@wave_walnut Thanks, the recap was important to understand what happened so far. As it seems, the writing was on the wall. Now I understand why so many was against Red Hat, similar to how they were against Canonical (but for other reasons).
@bedrooms That's interesting. Maybe it's a psychological effect to think of a company making money when reading about Canonical, and in contrast to think about Linux and community and the actual software when reading about Ubuntu. Just throwing out my thoughts, not sure if that is a thing.
I don’t get the Canonical hate. They are innovative and have contributed a lot to the Linux community. Also, Linux is their focus. Without companies like them, development would be a lot slower.
Because they dare to make money off of precious, precious Open Source. We only like full commie software here, thank you.
Really though, the Canonical hate is down to their usage of telemetry and other shit that literally everyone uses but few are as up front about. You'll always get some purity testing wankbag whining about one feature or another and because it doesn't pass their precious test that nobody else on this shit-hovel planet cares about the whole thing is garbage and needs to be destroyed as a product. Fuck the hundreds of thousands of people that use it at home and office and production server environments... they're all dumb and need to adhere to my personal standard of what FOSS is.
I have no favorite distro. Linux is a shit-tier masturbation aid, not an operating system. Every distro is 95% the same, with various bits of visual cruft stapled onto them in a desperate attempt to draw one group of assholes or another based entirely on what the OS looks like.
Aaaaand now we have the fucking jackoff that's going to tell you that literally NOTHING is actually the OS except for the kernel itself and maybe some drivers so if anything is shit it's not actually the OS that's the problem it's the distro... FUCK. THE. FUCK. OFF. you WORTHLESS boat of human assgravy.
Oh sure, they're totally fucking different. That's why you can install ANY FUCKING LINUX SOFTWARE ON ANY FUCKING LINUX DISTRO.
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@exohuman It's not hating everything, but criticizing certain aspects they did in the past or they do now. I don't know how long you are using Linux, but I did start with Ubuntu in 2008 and used it exclusively for 13 years (approx.). Just because a company was good in the beginning does not mean it is now too.
Examples why is listed in the above linked video. In the past, Canonical was criticized for not working on Wayland and instead creating their own alternative that is MIR. Due to the popularity of Ubuntu, that would make things in the Linux world complicated as MIR and Wayland need to be developed and supported. Instead using GNOME or any other existing desktop environment, they started their own. While I found that perfectly okay, in the beginning it looked like focus on tablets and was not good in the beginning (I actually liked Unity desktop environment later).
Now they are pushing Snaps, which will create another eco system that besides Flatpak. And it is mostly just for Ubuntu. Snaps were bad in the beginning, so it got a bad image from the start. That's not all. The servers for Snaps is proprietary. And you can't just add another source to Snaps, like you can do with Flatpaks. Meaning if you have your own server with Snaps delivery, you need to opt out of Snapcraft .io servers from Canonical. Do you want know more? One of the reasons I left Ubuntu was that Snaps are spamming the loop devices (most don't care). Then there is this clunky PPA system, which has some problems too (and why Canonical ties to switch to Snap instead).
What else do we have? Ah yes. Do you know about the Amazon incident? Ubuntu had spyware built-into their search functionality, where Amazon would get search queries without the consent of the users.
And not all, there was plans to drop support for 32 bit libraries, which would make gaming with Steam really bad. Obviously this is not something everyone cares, but that was an important reason for many not to use Ubuntu anymore. Because of the uncertainty.
I am not suggesting that everything is bad! Just listing a few things why the community started to dislike Ubuntu. Also nowadays nothing innovative comes from Ubuntu; it's stale, it's boring. Which is fine if you like that, but that is not innovative or leading anymore. The landscape of alternatives changed. I personally don't hate Canonical or Ubuntu. I stopped using it for several other reasons too, not just because of the listed problems. Some exaggerate and start hating in the internet.
@bmanhero Hey. 2 years ago I switched to Manjaro. Used it 1 and half a year and wasn't happy with it anymore, as it has its own problems and controversy, which I'm not getting into here. And half a year ago I switched to EndeavourOS, which is more closely based on Archlinux. It's very quiet different from Ubuntu with its rolling release model and community driven development of Archlinux and EndeavourOS. This was the main reason for me to use it, as I wanted to have the newest version of software that is available, plus the fantastic AUR.
I'm a bit more advanced nowadays and can handle that. Would not recommend it as a drop in replacement for Ubuntu; there are way more similar distributions.
And not all, there was plans to drop support for 32 bit libraries, which would make gaming with Steam really bad. Obviously this is not something everyone cares, but that was an important reason for many not to use Ubuntu anymore. Because of the uncertainty.
This contributed to Valve switching SteamOS to Arch.
@falsem I remember. But at that time, Steam OS 2 was already based on Debian and not Ubuntu anymore. Steam OS 1 was based on Ubuntu if I remember correctly. Therefore what Ubuntu does wouldn't affect Valve anyway. So I don't know how much this played a role in switching to Arch. So the timing might be just coincidence.
Void Linux is what I use and it’s by far my favourite, can’t recommend it enough. It’s rolling release while also being very stable, has a small but very engaged and welcoming community.
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